33 Dead at Virginia Tech ..::UPDATED::..
How did this happen? Society as a whole seriously lacks moral clarity-- the Godly kind --and backbone enough to push against the evil tide of Liberalism. [yes... there's one in every doorknob!]
How long before someone tries to point to the killer's religion as an underlying factor in his murder-spree... and how much do you want to wager they'll call him a "Christian". Well, the ignorant can't help but exude ignorance.
I can hear the call now... "We need to pull our brave men and women in the military out of the Middle East to patrol the violent streets and campuses of America."
Well... how did they get violent?
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Amen to prayer, but not so difficult to comprehend.
How long before someone tries to point to the killer's religion as an underlying factor in his murder-spree... and how much do you want to wager they'll call him a "Christian". Well, the ignorant can't help but exude ignorance.
I can hear the call now... "We need to pull our brave men and women in the military out of the Middle East to patrol the violent streets and campuses of America."
Well... how did they get violent?
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"It is difficult to comprehend senseless violence on this scale... Our prayers are with the families and friends of these victims, and members of the extended Virginia Tech community."
Virginia Governor Timothy M. Kaine
Amen to prayer, but not so difficult to comprehend.
from the mind of... Eric | 1:12 PM
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Some may see in this incident a rightwing Christian shooter and blame conservatism. You see a horrible incident and blame liberalism.
Could it be that we're all brothers and sisters working out our salvation and nation together - with many fits and starts - and that this sort of kneejerk blaming of the Others is not helpful at all?
And could we be suffering from a serious lack of appreciation for irony?
This would be true if we were all brothers and sisters, but the truth is, we are not. There is only one way, one truth, and one life... and that life is found in Jesus Christ, and no other.
Conservatism didn't create the social ills and mores, and moral atmosphere that made 32 dead in a school shooting-spree possible. That bag lies squarely at Liberalism's door.
I don't know what set this person off, but I know that it was the easy availability of high-powered automatic weapons that, made this such a costly tragedy for the students of Virginia Tech.
They are being AWFULLY quiret about the shooter's name. I wonder if there is an AL and a hyphen there somewhere?
"I don't know what set this person off, but I know that it was the easy availability of high-powered automatic weapons that, made this such a costly tragedy for the students of Virginia Tech."
Yeah...had there been two or three during the initial attack who had CCLs, the incident would have been minimized.
If the bastard knew there were three or four toting inside that building, he would never have done the deed.
Yeah, BenT, blame it on the weapon...that's real good.
Sorry Daddio, the description I get is Asian.
BenT is a good and dutiful Liberal, Daddio... his views shouldn't surprise you.
If there had been untrained civillians with guns at VT, then a random gunfight ala the O-K Corral would have begun. Anyone not behind cover would have been a target. Anyone. I don't blame the guns. I blame a society that has only the most basic controls for those high-efficiency weapons of death. We at least try to control who get bio-weapons, radioactive wepons, chemicals -- why not mechanical weapons?
Because the constitution of the United States of America makes provision for citizens to defend themselves.
"If there had been untrained civillians with guns at VT, then a random gunfight ala the O-K Corral would have begun."
Yeah, and though the shooter would have killed two or three, 28 or 29 would still be breathing at this moment.
When the framer's drafted the constitution, do you think they had in mind for citizens to won their own personal canons? That was the pinnacle of wholesale slaughter at the time. Today we not only have automatic weapons, but we have suitcase nukes. Do you think the Constitution allows individuals to own those?
If five other people on the VT campus had had personal guns they were waving around, they would most likely have been shot. Either by each other or by police arriving at the scene. Those five citizen soldier would also probably kill/wound 15 other innocents. Average individuals aren't prepared or trained to react to violent situations. They don't know how to cope when the adrenaline starts flowing.
"...why not mechanical weapons?"
It's called the 4th Amendment.
And Daddio's right. The gunman would have died sooner rather than later, and it's conceivable that far fewer deaths would have been the result.
No BenT, but they did envision that everyone would own their own musket, or carbine.
I also should say that I'm not opposed to all gun ownership. I just think allowing anyone to buy an automatic high-caliber weapon is just asking for trouble.
There are enough laws on the books that make possession of "suitcase" nukes and nuclear material. As well, there are plenty of other laws on the books that are intended to keep assault rifles out of the hands of your average Joe... which means only the criminals have them.
Your objections in regard to the Framers' intent is baseless.
"I also should say that I'm not opposed to all gun ownership. I just think allowing anyone to buy an automatic high-caliber weapon is just asking for trouble."
Wow! We actually agree on something!
I suggest something like prohibition. A twenty year moratorium on individual sales of anything more than 6-shooter pistols. Responsible collectors would be able to find models still in circulation. Gun manufacturers could still sell in bulk to the armed services. Just no sales of high-capacity, high-caliber, semi/full automatic weaponry. In twenty years (or sooner) if we see roving gangs of criminals preying on society we could rescind the moratorium. But right now the US is the number one buyer of new guns in the world. We need to do something to change that.
Wow! I guess we DON'T agree!
"How long before someone tries to point to the killer's religion as an underlying factor in his murder-spree... and how much do you want to wager they'll call him a "Christian"."
Are you just failing to see the irony in complaining that this will be blamed on "christians" as a whole when you turn and blame it on "liberals" as a whole?
Of course, I know the difference that it is the fault of liberals as a whole and not the fault of Christians at all, right?
Is it that you just feel more comfortable when you have easily defined boogeymen to point to as the troubles of our world - Commies, terrorists and liberals - and that anyone who doesn't agree with you must fall into one of these monster categories?
How DID these people get violent? The liberals' lack of moral clarity (the godly kind) has encouraged people to be violent?
Yeah, stick with simple answers. Even if they make no sense. Simple answers are best. And obviously anyone who objects to your simple answers must be one of those monsters out there waiting to hungrily devour america.
If anyone is projecting simple answers, it is you Dan. You look at a slice of bread and see mold, but immediately think... 'huh! that slice 'o bread has been sittin' out way too long..' and you're right. But you never bother to dig deeper to understand why the bread attracts the mold in the first place....
As I've said repeatedly...and BenT backs me up on this...so does Danielsan...liberalism invites oppression.
I couldn't agree more, Daddio. Every time a tragedy occurs involving guns, schools, and sociopaths, the first thing that gets floated by Liberals is a 'moratorium' on weapons sales... as if THAT would keep sociopaths from employing firearms in pursuit of their sociopathic designs.
You rush to blame this tragedy on ungodly liberalism, yet in liberal, atheistic Europe such incidents are unheard of.
Hmmm.
I blame liberalism for the social ills and mores of this nation... not for the violence. The human heart is filled with violence and all it needs is a healthy dose of self-justification to let slip those fiery dogs...
Psalm 58:2
Psalm 73:6
Proverbs 4:17
Proverbs 10:6
Furthermore...
Luke 17:26-27. And what were the days of Noah like?
Genesis 6:11-13
Final word on the state of man's heart...
Jeremiah 17:9
Just a thought here, but I also wonder if the shooter in this case might be a Muslim. The media doesn't like to point out when a seemingly random shooter is a Muslim, and the fact that he was an Asian doesn't mean he isn't. The Phillipines, for instance are full of Asian Muslims. If it turns out he was a Muslim, you won't hear about it in the media. You'll hear about it through Conservative blogs.
And thanks for fixing the problem. What caused it and how did you fix it?
"The human heart is filled with violence and all it needs is a healthy dose of self-justification to let slip those fiery dogs..."
Hey, THIS I can agree with! We all manage to find ways to justify our violence, don't we, when we really feel the need to be violent?
..::CORRECTION::..
Yesterday I cited the 4th Amendment in response to BenT's query ...why not mechanical weapons?". I should have cited the 2nd Amendment which delineates our right under the Constitution to keep and bear arms.
The 4th Amendment guards against unreasonable searches and seizures.
And I'll ask again to please explain using logic (not sophistry) why you think all forms of gun sales are legal? Do you think James Madison was imagining the gattling gun when he penned the 2nd Amendment?
The gattling gun wasn't invented until 1860, almost 80 years after the Bill of Rights was written. The founding fathers had no conception of how far weapons technology would go. They envisioned every American having a musket or a revolver. Nothing like the weapons of mass destruction we have today. We should hew to the ideas, behind the nation's foundational documents - not some literalist fantasy world where nothing has changed since the 1760's.
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