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Thursday, September 21, 2006

And It Smells of Sulfur Still Today... UPDATED

--Text of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's address to the U.N. yesterday.


CHAVEZ (through translator): "Representatives of the governments of the world, good morning to all of you. First of all, I would like to invite you, very respectfully, to those who have not read this book, to read it. Noam Chomsky, one of the most prestigious American and world intellectuals, Noam Chomsky, and this is one of his most recent books, 'Hegemony or Survival: The Imperialist Strategy of the United States.'" [Holds up book, waves it in front of General Assembly.]

"It's an excellent book to help us understand what has been happening in the world throughout the 20th century, and what's happening now, and the greatest threat looming over our planet. The hegemonic pretensions of the American empire are placing at risk the very survival of the human species. We continue to warn you about this danger and we appeal to the people of the United States and the world to halt this threat, which is like a sword hanging over our heads. I had considered reading from this book, but, for the sake of time," [flips through the pages, which are numerous] "I will just leave it as a recommendation.

It reads easily, it is a very good book, I'm sure Madame [President] you are familiar with it. It appears in English, in Russian, in Arabic, in German. I think that the first people who should read this book are our brothers and sisters in the United States, because their threat is right in their own house. The devil is right at home. The devil, the devil himself, is right in the house.

"And the devil came here yesterday. Yesterday the devil came here. Right here." [crosses himself]

"And it smells of sulfur still today."

...'Here's More' for full text of speech...

Yesterday, ladies and gentlemen, from this rostrum, the president of the United States, the gentleman to whom I refer as the devil, came here, talking as if he owned the world. Truly. As the owner of the world.

I think we could call a psychiatrist to analyze yesterday's statement made by the president of the United States. As the spokesman of imperialism, he came to share his nostrums, to try to preserve the current pattern of domination, exploitation and pillage of the peoples of the world.

An Alfred Hitchcock movie could use it as a scenario. I would even propose a title: "The Devil's Recipe"

As Chomsky says here, clearly and in depth, the American empire is doing all it can to consolidate its system of domination. And we cannot allow them to do that. We cannot allow world dictatorship to be consolidated.

The world parent's statement – cynical, hypocritical, full of this imperial hypocrisy from the need they have to control everything.

They say they want to impose a democratic model. But that's their democratic model. It's the false democracy of elites, and, I would say, a very original democracy that's imposed by weapons and bombs and firing weapons.

What a strange democracy. Aristotle might not recognize it or others who are at the root of democracy.

What type of democracy do you impose with marines and bombs?

The president of the United States, yesterday, said to us, right here, in this room, and I'm quoting, "Anywhere you look, you hear extremists telling you can escape from poverty and recover your dignity through violence, terror and martyrdom."

Wherever he looks, he sees extremists. And you, my brother – he looks at your color, and he says, oh, there's an extremist. Evo Morales, the worthy president of Bolivia, looks like an extremist to him.

The imperialists see extremists everywhere. It's not that we are extremists. It's that the world is waking up. It's waking up all over. And people are standing up.

I have the feeling, dear world dictator, that you are going to live the rest of your days as a nightmare because the rest of us are standing up, all those who are rising up against American imperialism, who are shouting for equality, for respect, for the sovereignty of nations.

Yes, you can call us extremists, but we are rising up against the empire, against the model of domination.

The president then – and this he said himself, he said: "I have come to speak directly to the populations in the Middle East, to tell them that my country wants peace."

That's true. If we walk in the streets of the Bronx, if we walk around New York, Washington, San Diego, in any city, San Antonio, San Francisco, and we ask individuals, the citizens of the United States, what does this country want? Does it want peace? They'll say yes.

But the government doesn't want peace. The government of the United States doesn't want peace. It wants to exploit its system of exploitation, of pillage, of hegemony through war.

It wants peace. But what's happening in Iraq? What happened in Lebanon? In Palestine? What's happening? What's happened over the last 100 years in Latin America and in the world? And now threatening Venezuela – new threats against Venezuela, against Iran?

He spoke to the people of Lebanon. Many of you, he said, have seen how your homes and communities were caught in the crossfire. How cynical can you get? What a capacity to lie shamefacedly. The bombs in Beirut with millimetric precision?

This is crossfire? He's thinking of a western, when people would shoot from the hip and somebody would be caught in the crossfire.

This is imperialist, fascist, assassin, genocidal, the empire and Israel firing on the people of Palestine and Lebanon. That is what happened. And now we hear, "We're suffering because we see homes destroyed.'

The president of the United States came to talk to the peoples – to the peoples of the world. He came to say – I brought some documents with me, because this morning I was reading some statements, and I see that he talked to the people of Afghanistan, the people of Lebanon, the people of Iran. And he addressed all these peoples directly.

And you can wonder, just as the president of the United States addresses those peoples of the world, what would those peoples of the world tell him if they were given the floor? What would they have to say?

And I think I have some inkling of what the peoples of the south, the oppressed people think. They would say, "Yankee imperialist, go home." I think that is what those people would say if they were given the microphone and if they could speak with one voice to the American imperialists.

And that is why, Madam President, my colleagues, my friends, last year we came here to this same hall as we have been doing for the past eight years, and we said something that has now been confirmed – fully, fully confirmed.

I don't think anybody in this room could defend the system. Let's accept – let's be honest. The U.N. system, born after the Second World War, collapsed. It's worthless.

Oh, yes, it's good to bring us together once a year, see each other, make statements and prepare all kinds of long documents, and listen to good speeches, like Abel's (ph) yesterday, or President Mullah's (ph). Yes, it's good for that.

And there are a lot of speeches, and we've heard lots from the president of Sri Lanka, for instance, and the president of Chile.

But we, the assembly, have been turned into a merely deliberative organ. We have no power, no power to make any impact on the terrible situation in the world. And that is why Venezuela once again proposes, here, today, 20 September, that we re-establish the United Nations.

Last year, Madam, we made four modest proposals that we felt to be crucially important. We have to assume the responsibility our heads of state, our ambassadors, our representatives, and we have to discuss it.

The first is expansion, and Mullah (ph) talked about this yesterday right here. The Security Council, both as it has permanent and non-permanent categories, (inaudible) developing countries and LDCs must be given access as new permanent members. That's step one.

Second, effective methods to address and resolve world conflicts, transparent decisions.

Point three, the immediate suppression – and that is something everyone's calling for – of the anti-democratic mechanism known as the veto, the veto on decisions of the Security Council.

Let me give you a recent example. The immoral veto of the United States allowed the Israelis, with impunity, to destroy Lebanon. Right in front of all of us as we stood there watching, a resolution in the council was prevented.

Fourthly, we have to strengthen, as we've always said, the role and the powers of the secretary general of the United Nations.

Yesterday, the secretary general practically gave us his speech of farewell. And he recognized that over the last 10 years, things have just gotten more complicated; hunger, poverty, violence, human rights violations have just worsened. That is the tremendous consequence of the collapse of the United Nations system and American hegemonistic pretensions.

Madam, Venezuela a few years ago decided to wage this battle within the United Nations by recognizing the United Nations, as members of it that we are, and lending it our voice, our thinking.

Our voice is an independent voice to represent the dignity and the search for peace and the reformulation of the international system; to denounce persecution and aggression of hegemonistic forces on the planet.

This is how Venezuela has presented itself. Bolivar's home has sought a nonpermanent seat on the Security Council.

Let's see. Well, there's been an open attack by the U.S. government, an immoral attack, to try and prevent Venezuela from being freely elected to a post in the Security Council.

The imperium is afraid of truth, is afraid of independent voices. It calls us extremists, but they are the extremists.

And I would like to thank all the countries that have kindly announced their support for Venezuela, even though the ballot is a secret one and there's no need to announce things.

But since the imperium has attacked, openly, they strengthened the convictions of many countries. And their support strengthens us.

Mercosur, as a bloc, has expressed its support, our brothers in Mercosur. Venezuela, with Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, is a full member of Mercosur.

And many other Latin American countries, CARICOM, Bolivia have expressed their support for Venezuela. The Arab League, the full Arab League has voiced its support. And I am immensely grateful to the Arab world, to our Arab brothers, our Caribbean brothers, the African Union. Almost all of Africa has expressed its support for Venezuela and countries such as Russia or China and many others.

I thank you all warmly on behalf of Venezuela, on behalf of our people, and on behalf of the truth, because Venezuela, with a seat on the Security Council, will be expressing not only Venezuela's thoughts, but it will also be the voice of all the peoples of the world, and we will defend dignity and truth.

Over and above all of this, Madam President, I think there are reasons to be optimistic. A poet would have said "helplessly optimistic," because over and above the wars and the bombs and the aggressive and the preventive war and the destruction of entire peoples, one can see that a new era is dawning.

As Sylvia Rodriguez (ph) says, the era is giving birth to a heart. There are alternative ways of thinking. There are young people who think differently. And this has already been seen within the space of a mere decade. It was shown that the end of history was a totally false assumption, and the same was shown about Pax Americana and the establishment of the capitalist neo-liberal world. It has been shown, this system, to generate mere poverty. Who believes in it now?

What we now have to do is define the future of the world. Dawn is breaking out all over. You can see it in Africa and Europe and Latin America and Oceanea. I want to emphasize that optimistic vision.

We have to strengthen ourselves, our will to do battle, our awareness. We have to build a new and better world.

Venezuela joins that struggle, and that's why we are threatened. The U.S. has already planned, financed and set in motion a coup in Venezuela, and it continues to support coup attempts in Venezuela and elsewhere.

President Michelle Bachelet reminded us just a moment ago of the horrendous assassination of the former foreign minister, Orlando Letelier.

And I would just add one thing: Those who perpetrated this crime are free. And that other event where an American citizen also died were American themselves. They were CIA killers, terrorists.

And we must recall in this room that in just a few days there will be another anniversary. Thirty years will have passed from this other horrendous terrorist attack on the Cuban plane, where 73 innocents died, a Cubana de Aviacion airliner.

And where is the biggest terrorist of this continent who took the responsibility for blowing up the plane? He spent a few years in jail in Venezuela. Thanks to CIA and then government officials, he was allowed to escape, and he lives here in this country, protected by the government.

And he was convicted. He has confessed to his crime. But the U.S. government has double standards. It protects terrorism when it wants to.

And this is to say that Venezuela is fully committed to combating terrorism and violence. And we are one of the people who are fighting for peace.

Luis Posada Carriles is the name of that terrorist who is protected here. And other tremendously corrupt people who escaped from Venezuela are also living here under protection: a group that bombed various embassies, that assassinated people during the coup. They kidnapped me and they were going to kill me, but I think God reached down and our people came out into the streets and the army was too, and so I'm here today.

But these people who led that coup are here today in this country protected by the American government. And I accuse the American government of protecting terrorists and of having a completely cynical discourse.

We mentioned Cuba. Yes, we were just there a few days ago. We just came from there happily.

And there you see another era born. The Summit of the 15, the Summit of the Nonaligned, adopted a historic resolution. This is the outcome document. Don't worry, I'm not going to read it.

But you have a whole set of resolutions here that were adopted after open debate in a transparent matter – more than 50 heads of state. Havana was the capital of the south for a few weeks, and we have now launched, once again, the group of the nonaligned with new momentum.

And if there is anything I could ask all of you here, my companions, my brothers and sisters, it is to please lend your good will to lend momentum to the Nonaligned Movement for the birth of the new era, to prevent hegemony and prevent further advances of imperialism.

And as you know, Fidel Castro is the president of the nonaligned for the next three years, and we can trust him to lead the charge very efficiently.

Unfortunately they thought, "Oh, Fidel was going to die." But they're going to be disappointed because he didn't. And he's not only alive, he's back in his green fatigues, and he's now presiding the nonaligned.

So, my dear colleagues, Madam President, a new, strong movement has been born, a movement of the south. We are men and women of the south.

With this document, with these ideas, with these criticisms, I'm now closing my file. I'm taking the book with me. And, don't forget, I'm recommending it very warmly and very humbly to all of you.

We want ideas to save our planet, to save the planet from the imperialist threat. And hopefully in this very century, in not too long a time, we will see this, we will see this new era, and for our children and our grandchildren a world of peace based on the fundamental principles of the United Nations, but a renewed United Nations.

And maybe we have to change location. Maybe we have to put the United Nations somewhere else; maybe a city of the south. We've proposed Venezuela.

You know that my personal doctor had to stay in the plane. The chief of security had to be left in a locked plane. Neither of these gentlemen was allowed to arrive and attend the U.N. meeting. This is another abuse and another abuse of power on the part of the Devil. It smells of sulfur here, but God is with us and I embrace you all.

May God bless us all. Good day to you.

(APPLAUSE)




PERSONAL NOTE: Forgive me, but I did take a few notes.

He's right on one thing. The United Nations IS broken. It HAS failed. It does indeed need to be re-envisioned, and reinvigorated. Toward the end of his... remarks, he said:

And maybe we have to change location. Maybe we have to put the United Nations somewhere else; maybe a city of the south. We've proposed Venezuela.
LOL! And I say in response, "Please. Yes. Feel free to pack up and go anywhere you choose."

And why move the U.N.? Because,

Dawn is breaking out all over. You can see it in Africa and Europe and Latin America and Oceanea.
What Chavez means by 'Oceanea' is debatable since it could be applied in two different ways, neither of which match up in terms of exact spelling, but as the context is obviously geopolitical I will assume he means the region encompassing Australia, New Zealand, New Guinea, and the various islands of the Malay Archipelago. The other reference makes even less sense since it involves England, and a late 17th century-- and one-time banned --book by Oliver Cromwell, The commonwealth of Oceana, which details an 'Ideal Constitution' for the world, with England as its head.

But as to how Australia and New Zealand, specifically are 'waking up' is, admittedly, unclear to me. Perhaps someone out there can provide an explanation. But as someone IS waking up, fine, let them be home to the U.N. which HAS outlived its usefulness except as a guide on how to NOT establish another world body.

Aside from the vulgarity of Chavez describing our President as the Devil himself, and crossing himself to a chuckling crowd, he has the gall to describe America's foreign policy the equivalent of ancient Rome's...

Pax Americana and the establishment of the capitalist neo-liberal world.
Pax Romana/Pax Americana. The 'Peace' of Rome was at the point of sword and spear. That is not what America is. Nor is it what America is attempting to do in the Middle East. America is not attempting to create satellite nations. America is not attempting to widen it's 'Hegemony'. America is embarked upon a path to change the systems of government in the middleast in an effort to give hope to the young men of these nations. The kind of hope that would make the idea of strapping explosives about their torsos, or packing vehicles with explosives, or developing weapons of mass destruction all for the purpose of killing themselves and as many westerner's in general, American's specifically, as possible, as the abhorrently repellent idea that it is. This is not Empire building. It is not Hegemony. It is Common Sense.

As to the second half of the above quote...

It has been shown, this system, to generate mere poverty. Who believes in it now?
Perhaps Hugo should ask that question of the thousands of would-be imigrants trying to get in. Poverty in this nation is not produced by the system of Capitalism, but I'd have to agree it stems in no small part from Neo-Liberalism. Ultimately poverty is the result of personal habit, and via the dictates of Habit, Choice. There are obvious exceptions, which is why welfare is the compassionate response of a civilized, Christian, nation. But Welfare in America is terribly abused, requiring little accountability of those who receive it. And this is why welfare is an abyssmal failure. Welfare should lift everyone who needs it above the poverty line, not make them slaves to the government.

Hugo Chavez is a buffoon. Intelligent, no doubt (except in regard to his book recommendation), but it galls me... Angers me to no end-- spitting and cursing angry --to see that pompous-ass mocking our President, and our nation, while the members of the General Assembly smile, nod their heads, giggle, laugh... and in the end applaud. For me, that was the final straw. I want the U.N. gone from our soil. I had thought Ahmadinejad's apocalyptic rant was that straw, but he should simply have been arrested the moment he disembarked from his plane. Chavez, at least, is intelligent and engaging-- which only rankles my finely-tuned sense of moral justice all the more.

How could someone as intelligent as Chavez speak such nonsense? Ideology. We are all slaves to ideology; albeit, some with far more freedom than others, which is probably why Chavez dislikes the United States so.



UPDATE: I lifted the following from Neal Boortz over at Nealz Nuze...

Thursday, September 21, 2006

WHY DO WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THIS?

Yesterday the president of Venezuela Hugo Chavez took to the podium at the United Nations and spoke to the General Assembly. In his speech, he slammed President Bush, calling him "The Devil" and talked about the Noam Chomsky book he's been reading. That should be enough to tell you everything this crazy leftist stands for...but there was more to the story.

Sounding like he was reading a script prepared by the Democrat Party and Moveon.org, Chavez ranted on and on about how the United States was an imperialist nation that didn't really want peace. He criticized Bush for thinking he owned the world and called him an imperialist, fascist and an assassin. Not much of a surprise. But in making his remarks, Chavez made Bush's point.

One by one, these supposedly elected tinhorn dictators are making the Bush Administration's point. Hugo Chavez is an America-hating socialist that cavorts with the world's thugs. He is an enemy of the United States, just like the president of Iran is. He would be saying what he is saying no matter who was in charge in the Oval Office. He hates George W. Bush because Bush doesn't give people like himself much wiggle room.

By the way, anyone notice the lack of response from the Democrats on these speeches by Chavez and the president of Iran? Do they agree with what they're saying? How about it, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Hillary Clinton? Are you going to not disagree with these crazies? It sure seems to be the case. Wouldn't you think that when some foreign footstool calls our president the "devil" that at least some of the loyal opposition would have something to say? Evidently not.

Why do we have to put up with this? Why do we have to open our arms to voids surrounded by a sphincter muscle like Hugo Chavez; allowing them to come to this country to demean our institutions? Why? The United nations, that's why.

but then .. Chavez had one fabulous idea in all of his rantings. He proposed moving the United Nations to Venezuela. That is a fabulous idea....get the whole sham of an organization completely out of here. He can have it.

11 Comments:

Blogger Al-Ozarka said...

Great post, El! I wonder if our friendly buffoons on the left are feeling the threat yet? Naaaaaagh!

September 21, 2006 8:39 AM  
Blogger Dan Trabue said...

While he certainly has his faults, Chavez is nothing if not the showman. I disagree with demonizing enemies - as Chavez did by calling Bush "el diablo" - but he was funny in how he did it.

And I agree that we all ought to be reading Noam Chomsky - a prophet for our times.

Disagree with him if you wish (I do at times), Chavez is speaking for a great portion of the world and we ignore his words at our peril.

September 21, 2006 10:09 AM  
Blogger Dan Trabue said...

Everybody's worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there's a really easy way: stop participating in it.

The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all the people.

The most effective way to restrict democracy is to transfer decision-making from the public arena to unaccountable institutions: kings and princes, priestly castes, military juntas, party dictatorships, or modern corporations.

The 'corporatization of America' during the past century [has been] an attack on democracy.


Noam Chomsky, great stuff.

September 21, 2006 10:19 AM  
Blogger Eric said...

"I agree... but he was funny..."

Hugo gave pretty much the same speech this afternoon in Harlem. At least Charlie Rangel (D) did what you seem incapable of doing... He condemned Chavez for (paraphrasing) "Coming to my country, to my congressional district and bashing my president."

As for Noam Chomsky... A prophet for our times?!? Well, as ER would say, Pffshaw! Better to read Alexander Solzenitzen's 'The Archipeligo Gulag' wherein he writes, "The dividing line between good and evil is in every human heart..." A line that at times seems-- to me at least --is fairly blurred in yours....

Please note I said 'at times'.

How is it we, who claim the same faith, can define good and evil so differently?

Perhaps the same way others can claim Muslims and Christians worship the same God.

September 21, 2006 12:38 PM  
Blogger Al-Ozarka said...

Birds of an ungodly feather...

Dan--it seems like the kind of rule you would choose to have over you lies in the other down under. Relocation to Venezuela, perhaps?

September 21, 2006 7:02 PM  
Blogger Dan Trabue said...

"The dividing line between good and evil is in every human heart..." A line that at times seems-- to me at least --is fairly blurred in yours...."

Blurred how? Because I insist upon not killing innocent people? Because I insist upon striving to live out Jesus' command to love our enemies and because I don't think Jesus was a fool to tell us to do so?

Where am I blurring good and evil and is it in a way that Jesus also blurred? For if Jesus is blurring good and evil, then I must accept a blur.

September 21, 2006 9:01 PM  
Blogger Eric said...

Firstly, Dan, please note I stated, "at times".

As to the 'blurring of lines...'

There is nothing wrong with standing up for innocent Muslim's when people like me cast Muslims in a less than favorable light because of Muslim terrorists, but it's quite another to defend Islam which you have often done. Any argument that offers a path to God other than that which goes through Christ is a defense of Islam.

I'm not going to beat the issue further than that. Despite our obvious differences, I like you. And I appreciate the fact that you provide an excellent foil for my own views. You force me to be honest, and I truly appreciate that. I simply feel you've strayed from the narrow and onto the beaten path, ideologically speaking. I'm not questioning your salvation... Only your judgment.

September 21, 2006 11:26 PM  
Blogger Dan Trabue said...

Then allow me to clarify myself a bit then: I'm not in a position to defend Islam nor do I intend to do so. I'm not familiar enough with its teachings to have much of an opinion one way or the other about it.

Obviously, I'm a christian and am not encouraging people to embrace Islam, but Jesus' teachings.

What I am saying is that I disagree with the notion of classifying Islam as an evil religion or muslims as a group as evil. Especially by those who neither know Islam nor muslims but are reasoning: "look at those terrorists, they self-identify as muslims, terrorism is evil, so Islam must be evil."

Islam, from what I have seen, is one group's sincere attempt to find the One True God. Misguided perhaps, but sincere (or as sincere as we as a fallen race get). There's nothing evil in the search for God, only in embracing actions that are evil and teachings that lead to evil actions.

September 22, 2006 5:31 AM  
Blogger Eric said...

Anything that misses the mark is sin. Now, we can debate the semantics of 'evil' if you wish, but the fact of the matter is, regardless of any sincerity on the part of honest muslims, according to the bible I read, and I suspect, the one you read as well, unless that gospel preaches the blood of Christ as payment for the remission of sin, it misses the mark, and is therefore, according to Galatians 1:8-9 to be accursed... evil... Muhammed did not preach this Gospel, nor does the Qur'an today preach this Gospel. Quite simply, Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God. God doesn't change. It's impossible for him to lie. And it is further impossible that He would change everything so drastically a mere six-hundred years after Christ. The God of the Qur'an is impersonal; no one can ever know him or have a personal relationship with Him. No has any assurance of salvation. Good works buys them righteousness. This is not Christianity. God would not forsake the blood He shed on Calvary to present to us another gospel that negates the efficacy of His holy blood. Are Muslims evil? As evil as any other unsaved person... they are unregenerated sinners, with no hope of finding God unless a missionary can show them they must abandon the Muslim faith... and accept Christ.

Let's not allow the negative connotation's implied in 'Evil' to cloud the issue. If it is not good, it is evil. I don't believe there is a grey area here. Grey is the product of human reasoning. God sees everything in terms of black and white... Righteous and UNrighteous. Grey, if you will, is the equivalent of lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, fit only to be spewed from the saviors mouth.

Forgive me if my hardline on this issue offends you, but I cannot be swayed on this. As a Christian, I personally, stand for so little. I don't do near as much as I should. Call me Moses, in that when I was young I stuttered badly. The sound of mocking laughter still haunts me to this day. I take stands wherever I am able. Here on the internet, in groups where I feel safe. I have been unable to overcome this. But this is where I am, now. And if I can't even take a stand here, what earthly good am I? I have got to be shy-est man on the face of the planet, because-- big admission to follow --I am forty-six, never married, no children, no prospects for dating, let alone anything more. Outside my relationship with Christ, this is who I am. I'm not at all happy with it, but... there it is. I make my stand when and where I may. And I refuse to allow my human sensibilities to 'blur the line between good and evil'. That is why I take such a hard-line on this. It's not to accuse you of anything, condemn muslims and others, but rather, to make a point. God doesn't change. He doesn't lie. If He said it, He'll perform it. And if it doesn't line up with the Gospel, it is not of God.

September 22, 2006 10:17 AM  
Blogger Al-Ozarka said...

"Obviously, I'm a christian...."

I have my reservations...but who am I?

September 22, 2006 12:39 PM  
Blogger Dan Trabue said...

Exactly, if it doesn't line up with the Gospel, it is not of God.

And bearing false witness, killing innocents, these don't line up with the Gospel.

I don't think you're being hardline at all. We just seem to differ sometimes on what is and isn't the Gospel of Jesus.

Again, my defense of some muslims is not about defending Islam, but defending Christianity from those who'd twist it into something it's not.

September 22, 2006 1:06 PM  

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