Anniversary of Beslan, and Muslim Atrocities...
"Praise Allah, the Lord of the worlds, Who created us Muslims and Who blessed us with Jihad on His Straight Way."
--Shamil Basayev
Note please that Basayev claims Allah created Muslims-- not the world of men --and blessed them with Jihad-- not with peace, goodwill toward men. Sorry folks, the god of Islam is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Then who or what, pray tell, is the god of islam?
Thanks to Michelle Malkin for the reminding us all what lines and contours give shape to the face of Islam.
H/T to me for that desriptive... Not Shakespeare, but Genius nonetheless.
from the mind of... Eric | 3:35 PM
15 Comments:
Wow. Do you realize the guts -- I mean, before God, to make such an assertion? You must be 110-percent certain that you are dead-on right and that God agrees with you totally. I question the source of that kind of certitude.
1. "I am the Lord thy God ,
who have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt not have any other gods besides me. Thou shalt not make for thyself any graven image or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; thou shalt not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, punishing the iniquities of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those that hate me; but showing mercy to thousands of generations of those that love me, and keep my commandments."
2. "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
3. "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."
3. "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
4. "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines..."
5. "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."
Contrast that with....
1. "He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;" 112:1-3
2. "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten offspring." Glory to Him! They are (but) servants raised to honour. They speak not before He speaks, and they act (in all things) by His command. He knows what is before them, and what is behind them, and they offer no intercession except for those who are acceptable, and they stand in awe and reverence of His (glory). If any of them should say, "I am a god besides Him," such a one We should reward with Hell: thus do We reward those who do wrong" 21:26-29
3. "Praise be to Allah, Who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) dominion" 17:111
4. "If (Allah) Most Gracious had a son, I would be the first to worship." 43:81
It is most certainly true: Allah had no son; the Devil has not begotten any offspring that we are know of.
I can say that Islam does not worship the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, the God of Jacob, because Islam denies Him AND His son, our Lord and God, Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
The Bible lays out Truth for anyone willing to search it out. Do not be fearful of God's truth. Be bold. He expects that of all His children. Don't hide your talent in the earth. Use it, and multiply it, speak "Truth to Power" (a phrase that has absolutely NO meaning but Libs and Dems seem to love it). God expects us to defend the faith... to earnestly contend for the faith...
"Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called: Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied. Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ."
Brother, I shouldn't have to explain this to you. Christ didn't come to send peace... "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
Islam is a false religion. If it were not, why do missionaries desperately try to bring Muslims to Christ? "Pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh." Jude 23
No, don't put God in a box, but please open your eyes and recognize the box God has put US in...
"I question the source of that kind of certitude."
Then, Brother, you question God.
Try squintin' while you read it, ER.
Are you familiar at all with how Muslims define jihad? Do you know there are various layers of meaning attached to the word?
I'm not here to defend Islam as The Way. I'm a Christian and believe Jesus taught us the Way. If I thought Islam was a great thing, I'd be a Muslim.
But I'd just ask you to remember that the Bible tells us that many serve Jesus that we wouldn't picture as servants. "Anyone who is not against us is for us," Jesus tells his disciples (and, of course, he says it the opposite way, too...hmmm...)
There IS only one God and it matters not whether you call God, "Jehovah" or "Allah" or "Bob," but whether you're walking in God's way (or, conversely, actively opposed to The Way).
Misrepresenting people is not part of the Way that we've been taught.
"Christ didn't come to send peace"
No, Christ came to teach us to bring peace.
"Blessed are the peacemakers."
"My peace I leave with you..."
"I have said this to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world,"
"Go ye, into all the world, teaching all things which I have commanded you (Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, overcome evil with good)" etc, etc.
Perhaps, if the word "Peace" is troubling, we can think of ourselves as Jesus-followers, rather than peacemakers (which, of course, ought to be one and the same...)
As an aside in response to your remark:
"Use it, and multiply it, speak "Truth to Power" (a phrase that has absolutely NO meaning but Libs and Dems seem to love it)."
You may be interested to know that "the phrase "speaking truth to power" goes back to 1955, when the American Friends Service Committee published Speak Truth to Power, a pamphlet ii at proposed a new approach to the Cold War."
[from a Friends website]
Although I have also seen it referred to as from the Quakers in the 1700s. Regardless, it has a rich history and much meaning to those of us in fellowship with that faith tradition.
"Christ didn't come to send peace" yada, yada, yada...
Only further illustrates the ideological and religious divide between Islam and Christianity.
"Misrepresenting people is not part of the Way..."
Neither is ignoring the sin and lost state of the unbeliever. Islam is a false religion. What part of this are you not getting?
It makes a lot of difference what, and how, we call God. Caution is the order of the day, in that, we are not use His name in vain. Somehow I can't see 'Bobdammit' as dragging God's name and holiness through the mud.
"Islam is a false religion."
Only inasmuch as a given Muslim rejects Jesus, seems to me. Just as "christianity" is a false religion for those "christians" who reject Jesus.
Do you call Judaism a false religion? They don't embrace Jesus in the way you seem to want Muslims to.
Judaism is a religion, Christianity and Islam are religions.
Off the top of my head, I can think of no place in the Bible where it talks about "false religions," with the closest reference being in James where it tells us, "Pure religion and undefiled before our God and Father is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world."
I guess Jeremiah touches on it a bit here, where he warns about false gods, but again we read:
"If you really change your ways and your actions and deal with each other justly, if you do not oppress the alien, the fatherless or the widow and do not shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not follow other gods to your own harm..."
Yes, there are plenty of references to false gods, a thing to watch out for. But we can recognize those following false gods by the life they live and the teachings they embrace. ie, what "they do for the least of these" is a good indicator.
I guess my question to you is what do you mean by a false religion (since it's not a biblical term)?
"Caution is the order of the day, in that, we are not use His name in vain."
Part of the cultural divide and where we're maybe having difficulty communicating, it seems to me, is that Christians of my type tend to view "taking God's name in vain," to be more along the lines of saying, "God wants us to kill all the terrorists!" or, "God bless our troops as they drop bombs on Hiroshima," moreso than the traditional swear words one might think of.
Actually, I was coyly questioning you, as a false source of such absolute certainty, EL. For you to answer with "Then you question God" is eerie and a little telling.
I'm with Dam in that The Way has more to do with how one lives after one encounters God;'s grace through Christ than what one says or even the details of ewhat one believes. EL, I've seen the laundry list of things you say people gotta believe to "be a Christian." Fine. But little of that has squat to do with whether one is a follower of Jesus.
Tug, ya got it half right. Ya squint -- and pray.
You're swallowing camels and straining at gnats, here.
The bible also doesn't talk about 'internet porn', but there are clear passages in the old testament about nakedness, lust, coveting thy neighbors wife, adultery, and fornication.
Islam does not revere the God of Judaism or Christianity. Any honest read of both the Bible and the Qur'an will show they speak of wholly different dieties. In one you have God Almighty, the maker of heaven and earth, who came to earth in the physical form of Jesus to redeem fallen man. In the other is Allah who claims to have created the Muslims and blessed them with Jihad, no assurance of heaven except through martyrdom, and denys the diety of Christ. I can't be any plainer than that, and I refuse to continue trying to heal all the hares you continue to split. This is what I'm hearing from you...
"It depends on what the meaning of 'Is' is..."
Every argument I make is treated with skepticism. You seem completely unwilling to call anything or anyone false. How can you stand against evil if you refuse to even recognize it or call it by its name?
Will you also defend Mormons? Jehovahs Witnesses? Buddhism? Shintoism? Armstrongism? If you can't even recognize truth and falsehood when it stands in front of you, how can you ever hope to stay on the narrow path? Christianity is narrow! The way to heaven is narrow... and few there are that find it. Whereas, wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat...
"Part of the cultural divide and where we're maybe having difficulty communicating..."
Classic understatement, sir. It is not a divide... it is a chasm.
"You seem completely unwilling to call anything or anyone false."
Not true. I call those acting in opposition to Jesus' teachings having bogus or false understanding of what it means to be a Christian all the time.
I'm calling it false to suggest that all Muslims are worshiping a false god.
I'm calling it false to condemn "gosh darn it" but not to condemn, "God bless our troops, make their rifles shoot straight and bombs blast hard."
It's not that I don't think anything is false, I just have a different list...
Post a Comment
<< Home