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Monday, September 10, 2007

America Is Winning in Iraq, and Treasonous Democrats Are Losing

More outrage over the party of hypocrites and liars...


Blogger Marshall Art said...

In my area, we have more than one good sources of objective conservative commentary, so I haven't been listening to Rush in awhile. But gosh, I could just hear him as I read it. Unfortunately, I could also hear the voices of those worms Durbin, Kerry, Biden and Reid. Those bums are contemptable.

September 10, 2007 10:16 PM  
Blogger ELAshley said...

With the exception of a very few individuals, the Democratic PARTY is contemptible, with little hope for redemption. They are, almost to the man, classless arrogant treasonous bastards.

September 10, 2007 11:55 PM  
Anonymous BenT - the Unbeliever said...

I didn't read the whole show, but I got the gist. The fact is the surge isn't working.

Foreign fighters aligned with al quaida make up a tiny percentage of the fighting forces in Iraq. General James Jones testified to that in Congress.

BAYH: Our intelligence services and other experts have indicated publicly that in their opinion about...two percent or fewer of the adversaries that we're facing in Iraq and that the Iraqis are facing in Iraq are foreign jihadis or AQI affiliates, [and] 98 percent or more are Iraqis fighting amongst Iraqis for the future of Iraq. Is that consistent with your understanding?

JONES: I think we would agree with that. Yes.
So when Rush keeps talking about fighting al quaida he's just misleading his audience.

The surge was predicated on stopping violence so that there could be political progress/reconciliation. That's how the president sold the strategy. Instead all the Sunni parties have withdrawn from the government.

To bolster the idea that the surge is working the army has changed the way they count Iraqi casualties. The violence numbers do not include: 1) Sunni on Sunni violence. 2) Shi'a on Shi'a violence 3) Car bombs 4) Getting shot in the front of the head.

We have doubled the number of troops in baghdad from 17,000 to 34,000 and violence has only receded slightly.

The BBC/ABC poll shows that 70% of Iraqi's think security has "deteriorated" in areas covered by the surge.

General Patraeus thinks it may take nine or ten more years before there is real stability in Iraq.

So tell me EL, by what metrics are we "winning"? And be carefull carrying around that huge load of bile and hatred, remember to always lift with your legs.

September 11, 2007 10:10 AM  
Blogger mom2 said...

I was watching this live yesterday when this was asked of the Gen. and he said it was not true. Ben t, why are you repeating it? This is typical of what the media has done all along, report something with the hopes of influencing opinion and by the time the correction is made, a lot of people have already accepted it as fact. Sad that politics loves power more than truth.

To bolster the idea that the surge is working the army has changed the way they count Iraqi casualties. The violence numbers do not include: 1) Sunni on Sunni violence. 2) Shi'a on Shi'a violence 3) Car bombs 4) Getting shot in the front of the head.>

I lost ben's quote somehow and did not realize it, thus is follows my comment.

September 11, 2007 10:20 AM  
Anonymous BenT - the Unbeliever said...

Here's where I got the quote. Maybe after the sound drumming that everyone was giving Patreus over these twisted statistics, he went back and had things normalized. I don't know. I do know when people tout a 70% drop in violence they're using Dec.06 to Feb. 06 as the time range, which was before the surge even began. You can't call that playing square.

September 11, 2007 10:55 AM  
Blogger ELAshley said...

I don't think much of your opinion on this BenT. In my book, you're just another Democratic tool... a place-holder in the voting line. (..::Edited because this portion is not particularly nice::..) Your focus is myopic at best, and anything outside the range of your blinders... well, it's not really there, and therefore a figment of everyone else's imagination.

But then, you didn't read the whole show, did you? In order to do that you'd have had to spend an hour or more at his website reading the many and sundry daily transcripts.

Now, I know what you're going to say... that I'm as much a tool of the Republicans as you are of the Democrats (you know you're not a tool at all, but you're willing to humor me), but I can at least see what's going on in Washington this week-- and see it for what it is --and in the nation these last six years. I don't need Limbaugh to tell me what's going on. Truth is, I'm one-part lazy and two-parts too busy to articulate my own frustration to the extent Limbaugh does. But I see you at the station, pouring over Andrew Sullivan and others, learning how to think like (..::Edited because this portion is not particularly nice::..). Congratulations! You're almost there.

Democrats have spent the last month trying to portray the General's report as 'The President's Report' to minimize the impact of the fact that the Surge IS working... IS working.

Democrats have spent the last two days pontificating, asking no real questions, posturing for their handlers in Moveon.org, Code Pink (who, strangely, have been able to get into the hearing, IN UNIFORM, to disrupt the proceedings two days in a row... Hmmm... sounds like the Dems WANT these people there, in front of cameras... it plays to the Democratic line... that more Americans disapprove of the war than support it), and all the other Anti-War fruit cakes who pull their strings. They've spent the last two days calling General Petreaus a liar... A LIAR. A man who has served this nation with honor and distinction that far exceeds that of the Democratic buffoons brazenly impugning his integrity, his character, and his sense of duty and honor to this great yet failing nation.

What? It's wrong for us to question the Patriotism of Democrats, but it's okay for them to call the General a Liar? Question HIS patriotism? What hypocrites!

Truth is, Democrats in Congress are just as dangerous to this nation and it's future-- MORE SO, in fact --than any number of Osama bin Laden's.

September 11, 2007 12:50 PM  
Anonymous BenT - the Unbeliever said...

Use capital letters all you want, just saying the surge is working doesn't make it so. Show me the metrics! Have infrastructure projects been competed? Has there been political progress? Are casualties American or Iraqi down? These things are how you measure whether the surge is working or not.

I have never questioned your patriotism or that of any republican. I know you care deeply for this country and the future thereof. But because we disagree on the policies and priorities you feel no compunction about labeling me repeatedly as a traitor to the nation. Well sticks and stones EL.

You want to change my mind you'll need more than emotionally charged language, you'll need facts. Show me where the surge is working and you can stand by my side while I call Rep. Terry Everett and tell him to keep supporting this policy.

September 11, 2007 1:13 PM  
Blogger ELAshley said...

Neither do I question your patriotism. Nor have I called you 'Traitor'

You're imagining things again.

September 11, 2007 1:20 PM  
Anonymous BenT - the Unbeliever said...

"What? It's wrong for us to question the Patriotism of Democrats, but it's okay for them to call the General a Liar? Question HIS patriotism? What hypocrites!

Truth is, Democrats in Congress are just as dangerous to this nation and it's future-- MORE SO, in fact --than any number of Osama bin Laden's."

Those were your words less than two hours ago. This thread. Were you not calling all democrats traitors?
And of course this is not the first or even the seventh time you have labeled everyone who disagrees with you as traitorous.

September 11, 2007 1:38 PM  
Anonymous BenT - the Unbeliever said...

Still no metrics to prove the surge is working?

September 11, 2007 1:39 PM  
Blogger mom2 said...

I am a former Democrat, but let me tell you that most of those Democrats questioning the General yesterday embarrassed me with their arrogance and lack of respect. Wexler from Florida went berserk near the end of what I was watching. I felt sorry that the General had to sit there and endure what he went through. A lot of those Representatives need some military experience to teach them some control and respect.

September 11, 2007 1:48 PM  
Blogger ELAshley said...

Uh... I don't don't think you're sitting in Washington right, suit and tie pressed and donned, calling the General a liar...

What? Still no metrics to prove the Surge ISN'T working? Go ahead and spin out a few more.

September 11, 2007 1:49 PM  
Blogger ELAshley said...

Yes, Mom. Wexler was particularly disgusting; pandering to his constituents (Palm Beach... old and unable to understand clear instructions on how to use a butterfly ballot) and every other kook-fringe element out there.... INSTEAD OF THE TRUTH!

These people are losers. They can't win anything but their own elections. They lost Vietnam, and now they want to lose Iraq. "Traitor" is too tame a word to describe how despicable these jerks are.

September 11, 2007 1:55 PM  
Anonymous BenT - the Unbeliever said...

Let me bring your comments of yesterday back to you "They are, almost to the man, classless arrogant treasonous bastards."

Also you seem to have forgotten my post where I gave 6-7 facts showing how the surge isn't working. (You may want to scroll up to refresh your memory.) You haven't yet refuted any of those points or proposed any other data to show support of this strategy.

September 11, 2007 2:06 PM  
Anonymous Solomon said...

Who were the "tools" in Orwell's 1984? The ones who gave up liberty for security, and didn't question government surveillance, overreaching governmental powers, or perpetual war.

September 12, 2007 1:29 PM  
Blogger Al-Ozarka said...

"General James Jones testified..."

I heard General Jones testify before an audience to explain the findings of the report he was involved in. What he said was...It's terrible in Iraq...we are making progress...we CANNOT leave until we have established order there.

That's what his whole report boils down to...exactly what Bush and Co. have been saying all along.

"Who were the "tools" in Orwell's 1984?"

The op[eraters of the Memory hole?

You know, BenT...those people who would pervert and change the reality of the past.

You know any of them folk?

September 18, 2007 3:14 PM  
Anonymous Solomon said...

Here's something from George Will's column today:

The Bush administration says "the long war" -- the war on terrorism -- is a perpetual emergency that will last for generations. Waged against us largely by non-state actors, it will not end with a legally clarifying and definitive surrender. The administration regards America as a battlefield, on which even an American citizen can be seized as an "enemy combatant" and detained indefinitely.

Sounds a lot like 1984 to me.

September 20, 2007 1:17 PM  
Anonymous tugboatcapn said...

Hey Solomon, you ever read "Animal Farm"?

September 23, 2007 8:22 PM  
Blogger Brad said...

Yep. I'm as anti-communist as anyone if that's what you're getting at. Ever read "Captain Corelli's Mandolin?" The Italian Fascists come out bad, the Nazis far worse, and the Greek communists not far behind.

BTW, Orwell was a liberal.

September 26, 2007 9:08 PM  
Anonymous Solomon said...

That was me. Experimenting with a blogger account.

By the way, I recommend "Captain Corelli's Mandolin" to anyone interested. It's about a part of WWII that few of us have heard much about- in the Greek Islands, with Italian fascists, ordinary Italian occupiers, Greek civilians, Nazis, Greek partisans, and Greek communists. Bits of Brits and Americans too. It's intense, hilarious, and heartbreaking. Don't watch the movie, it sucked.

September 27, 2007 11:31 AM  

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