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Thursday, November 09, 2006

The Divine Spigot of God's Blessings ~ Off


I don't like posting other peoples words whole-cloth, though I do it on occasion. Today is another such occasion. Some will read what follows and pooh-pooh it all; America is still great... America is a moral nation... America is a Christian nation-- Muslim nations certainly think so. But the truth is America has forgotten God... Kicked Him out of the car several miles back. And we're paying the price for it today. The question is; Will America ever find reason to turn around and pick Him back up?

Perhaps Dan is right; striving to destroy an entire religion simply because not all of its adherents are actively seeking out destruction-- nevermind the fact that they are not actively seeking to stop the violence. But neither is treating the War on Islamic Fascism as a law enforcement problem; especially since the number of those seeking or desiring our destruction numbers in the hundreds of millions-- Will a Democratic congress build enough prisons to house all these criminals?

The answer to our problem is outlined below.



The God vacuum: America and the barbarian hordes

by David Kupelian
November 9, 2006

In the Old Testament of the Bible, God is shown time after time chastising the House of Israel, His chosen but often disobedient people, by allowing barbarians to invade and plunder their cities and put many of them to the sword.

That is what the Western World, including America, is starting to experience today, having likewise turned away from God.

This raging conflict between Islam and the West, this "clash of civilizations" that many are calling World War III, is at root a spiritual war.

It's been said that it takes a religion to fight a religion. More precisely, it takes true faith to defeat a false one. And by true faith I don't mean a set of rules, rituals and doctrine in a book, any book. I mean a genuine personal relationship with the one true God, and a nation of such people who follow the laws of conscience that same God planted in each of their hearts.

What is the answer to the burgeoning threat of Islamic jihad? The simple and terrifying bottom-line answer is that there is no answer unless America finally awakens and gives up its insane rebellion against its own founding faith and values.

We're fond of praising our World War II-era forbearers who won that terrible conflict with another form of demon-possessed, expansionist fascism. But the "Greatest Generation" was different from this generation. It believed in God.

Come again? You say we also believe in God today? No, we don't – not as a nation.

The World War II generation believed in God. They believed that this God was the God of the Ten Commandments and the Sermon on the Mount. They believed He created us in His image and that human life was therefore sacred, which meant we don't slaughter our offspring in the womb nor kill off our parents when they get old and sick. They believed in biblical morality when it comes to sex, which meant homosexuality, adultery and "shacking up" were sinful and wrong.

And they also believed God had uniquely blessed the United States of America, something Alexis de Tocqueville called "American Exceptionalism" – the conviction that America's enlightened Constitution, industrial and military might, unprecedented standard of living, and most of all its legendary liberty were the direct result of the Almighty's blessing on this special nation. Implicit in that belief was the understanding that, just as with ancient Israel, this divine spigot flowing with undeserved blessings could and would be turned off if we turned away from God.

Thus it was the "Greatest Generation's" national unity, based on its widespread cultural and religious fidelity to those core truths – what we call "Judeo-Christian values" – that gave them the confidence to fight and persevere and win the world war that confronted them, whatever sacrifices that effort required.

Today, America and Europe are being transformed by Islam because there is a spiritual vacuum in these once-Christian lands. Especially in Britain and Europe, where the Islamic invasion is already well advanced, analysts concede it's simply a matter of time before some of these nations have Muslim majorities. Then comes Shariah law and the total transformation of these formerly Christian countries into repressive Islamic states.

Think I'm exaggerating? The Netherlands' justice minister, Piet Hein Donner, recently announced he would let Shariah law take over his European nation – already rapidly filling up with Muslims – if the majority votes for it. Just as in other Arab-Muslim countries currently under this strict Islamic legal system, European nations under Shariah might well see amputations – as prescribed in the Quran – as punishment for certain crimes; women publicly flogged and sometimes hanged or stoned to death for adultery or other so-called "crimes against chastity"; and death sentences for leaving the Muslim religion, or even for preaching Christianity, as occurs in Pakistan under its notorious "blasphemy laws."

All the vain, prideful fantasies of the post-Christian, secular, multiculturalism-worshipping Europeans are crashing down around them. The French are so terrified of the Muslims that comprise 10 percent of their population that Parisian police won't even venture into Muslim communities on the outskirts of the capital city. Having traded the Christian faith of their fathers for the smug, self-righteous ecstasy of the socialist welfare state, they have no spiritual strength left with which to fight back the invading hordes.

What about America? Though the percentage of Muslims in this huge nation is much lower than in Europe, radical Islam already has a powerful foothold in many parts of American society. Beyond the obvious signs – like the rapid proliferation within the U.S. of Saudi-funded mosques, Islamic centers and schools teaching discontent and even hatred for America – consider just one of the many less-than-obvious "growth areas": our prison system.

"Muslim chaplains have established an Islamic radical regime over Muslim convicts in the American prisons," writes Stephen Schwartz in "Islam in the Big House." "Radical Muslim chaplains, trained in a foreign ideology, certified in foreign-financed schools, and acting in coordination to impose an extremist agenda have gained a monopoly over Islamic religious activities in American state, federal and city prisons and jails." He adds, chillingly, "Imagine each prison Islamic community as a little Saudi kingdom behind prison walls, without the amenities. They have effectively induced American authorities to establish a form of 'state Islam' or 'government-certified Islam' in correctional systems."

Will this nightmare ever end? It will only end, like all nightmares end, when we wake up.

We need to wake up and remember who we really are. We need to realize the bottom-line reality that man is a spiritual creature, and that he will have faith, one way or the other. If he doesn't embrace true faith, he will embrace false faith. It's not only automatic – it's God-ordained.

The most poignant scene in the film "United 93" – chronicling the events leading up to the Sept. 11, 2001, crash of the ill-fated jetliner into a Pennsylvania field – came toward the end when both passengers and terrorists were depicted as praying. It was just before the courageous group of passengers launched their revolt against the hijackers, and several were seen quietly, fervently reciting the Lord's Prayer, as though they were asking God for the superhuman strength and focus they would need to overpower the terrorists while facing almost-certain death. At the same time, the terrorist pilot, having been warned that a passenger rebellion was imminent, was also praying to his god, begging Allah for help and strength to prevail against great odds. The image of these two mortal enemies, each praying to his god for victory, was electrifying – a perfect distillation of the conflict into which we have been plunged.

We can't – and won't – win this war without God. He knows when and where the next big terror attack is being planned against America. He knows where bin Laden is hiding. Only He can give us the unearthly wisdom and strength required to be longsuffering and merciful when restraint is called for – and to be merciless when outright, heart-stopping, shock-and-awe devastation is called for to defeat the enemy. Most of all, only genuine fidelity to God will give us the gift of true righteousness – an otherworldly quality that terrifies the wicked, inspires the decent and mysteriously delivers victory into the hands of His people.

When God withheld His protection from ancient Israel because of the disobedience and faithlessness of His people, there was only one possible solution: They had to repent of their pride and folly and come back to Him.

Do we somehow expect the Almighty to grant a different remedy to us?



So, returning to my last question: Will a Democratic congress build enough prisons to house all these criminals? Somehow, I doubt it. Not when everyone is clamouring to see Guantanamo Bay shut down. America no longer has the stomach to do what must be done, and she doesn't have sense enough to turn the car around and let God back in.

But... Who knows what kind of wake-up call God has in mind for us-- 9.11 obviously wasn't enough. And now I ask... What will be enough?

43 Comments:

Blogger KEvron said...

clearly, it's god's will that the democrats should be in control.

god bless democracy!
god bless america!
god bless nancy pelosi, his choice for speaker of the house!

KEvron

November 09, 2006 10:15 PM  
Blogger Ms.Green said...

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." II Chronicles 7:14

November 09, 2006 10:23 PM  
Blogger KEvron said...

god heard those prayers on tuesday night, ms. g!

KEvron

November 09, 2006 10:51 PM  
Blogger ELAshley said...

I thought at first to ignore your comment Kev, but since I intend to be polite...

Please don't mistake God's choice for Speaker of the House with a fulfillment of 2Chronicles 7:14. God's people have not humbled themselves. They have not sought His face. Nor have they turned from their wicked ways. God resists the proud, and America is too too proud for her own good.

You are, of course, welcome to believe otherwise.

November 09, 2006 11:47 PM  
Blogger Dan Trabue said...

Elashley, I've not read the bulk of your post yet because you premised your excerpt on at least two totally false notions. You said:

"nevermind the fact that they are not actively seeking to stop the violence."

Do you not know that there are Muslims actively involved in peacemaking efforts? That ARE actively seeking to stop the violence? Google "Muslims opposed terrorism" and you'll see many links.

"...especially since the number of those seeking or desiring our destruction numbers in the hundreds of millions-"

Your source for this? Short of any source, I reject this as poppycock.

November 10, 2006 5:42 AM  
Blogger Ms.Green said...

"Do you not know that there are Muslims actively involved in peacemaking efforts? That ARE actively seeking to stop the violence? Google "Muslims opposed terrorism" and you'll see many links."

I keep hearing liberals say this - and have read of a minute few Muslims that have actually spoken in public against Islamofacism - but as a whole, I've seen nothing. No talking Muslim heads rejecting Jihad, condemning Muslim terrorism, rejecting the riots in the street, no masses marching in protest against Islamic terrorism, etc. They are saliently silent. That speaks volumes.

Not to mention that the Quran says it's ok to lie to unbelievers.

November 10, 2006 6:07 AM  
Blogger Dan Trabue said...

Muslims opposed to terrorism:

http://seenonslash.com/node/92

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

http://www.masnet.org/takeaction.asp?id=2648

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/
articles/international_security_bt/221.
php?nid=&id=&pnt=221&lb=btis

(Be sure to check out the survey results on that last one).

Also here:

http://pewresearch.org/obdeck/?ObDeckID=6

and I could go on.

The point is, if you're not looking for it, you may not see it. But you can hardly blame the Muslims because you're not looking for it, can you?

Now, keep in mind, the more that US policy supports the terrorists' point of view (that the US is a threat), the less likely Muslims are going to speak out against the terrorism. Which is why America said this week that we need a change of policy.

November 10, 2006 8:15 AM  
Blogger ELAshley said...

Let's be truthful Dan. The ONLY reason America said 'we need a change in policy' is the Democrat[ic] ascension in Congress.

November 10, 2006 8:25 AM  
Blogger Erudite Redneck said...

The notions of "American Exceptionalism" and "Manifest Desdtiny" were bogus when first uttered and they're bogus today. God blessed this nation? Yeah, with a continent all but free for the taking, with Indians easy to kill and subjugate, with natural resources to exploit. God has blessed this country despite our material successes and excesses not because of them -- and still is blessing this country. Y'all just go ahead and wallow in pity and doubt and worry and fear and every other negative thing you want to. Lots -- and lots -- of people of faith are rejoicing this week that obstacles have been placed in front of the White House. God *did* answer the prayers of people who humbled themselves and sought his face! It just wasn't yours.

November 10, 2006 8:45 AM  
Blogger Dan Trabue said...

Amen and amen, brother ER! Lord how we've prayed!

EL said:
"The ONLY reason America said 'we need a change in policy' is the Democrat[ic] ascension in Congress."

I'm not sure of your point here. Republicans were booted out in unprecedented numbers, according to polls, because:

1. They've been so thoroughly wrong on Iraq and the so-called "war on terror," and
2. Because of Republican corruption

What are you saying?

November 10, 2006 8:57 AM  
Blogger ELAshley said...

"wallow in pity and doubt and worry and fear..." ???

Nothing could be further from the truth. Tuesday's election aside, this nation was slipping into the abyss-- metaphically speaking --long before then. For those of you who DO in fact pick and chose from scripture what to believe and what to discount, this nation is not on the right track. It wasn't on the right track before Tuesday and nothing has changed SINCE Tuesday. America is not on the right track.

America has NOT humbled herself, nor turned from her wicked ways. Live in delusion all you wish... Lie and make excuses all you wish... Send umpteen links to support the perverted views you hold, but none of this will change the fact that America is NOT on the right path. All such efforts will only mean your feet are firmly planted in wonderland. All such efforts will only demonstrate just how far you have strayed from God's message. Which is why I keep you guys in my prayers.

And don't ask me to apologize for calling your views perverted. Anyone with an ounce of the Holy Spirit in them would see abortion as murder, and homosexuality as an abomination, and neither of these two acceptable-- in any way, shape, or form --in God's eyes.

May God richly bless you all by opening your eyes and your hearts and granting you an opportunity for repentance. If you are saved, you have strayed so far from the truth as to lose any rewards you might have earned in the past. Stop looking to scholars and so-called 'experts' and look to God... the GREAT and ONLY expert on how to serve Him in truth and righteousness.

November 10, 2006 2:04 PM  
Blogger Dan Trabue said...

Oh, there's an idea. Look to God. Why didn't it occur to me...?

November 10, 2006 3:00 PM  
Blogger Dan Trabue said...

And for the record, you and I and I imagine ER ALL agree that America is not on the right path. Hence, our concern for our great nation.

And voting for Dems over Republicans doesn't mean that I think that we'll find any great answers in them. It's just that a majority of Americans and a goodly number of Christians among them think that the Dems will be less awful than the Republicans have been.

That we need a revival, I can agree.

A repentance of our sinful, proud, commercialistic, militaristic ways and towards God's kingdom of peace, justice and love.

November 10, 2006 3:06 PM  
Blogger Erudite Redneck said...

Re, "A repentance of our sinful, proud, commercialistic, militaristic ways and towards God's kingdom of peace, justice and love."

Amen and amen.

Re, "Anyone with an ounce of the Holy Spirit in them would see abortion as murder, and homosexuality as an abomination"

Again, "murder" is a legal term that does not apply, and you keep using it anyway, as rhetoric. Abortion bad! How many times have I said it??

I refuse to view any state of humankind as any more of an abomination that the general state of humankind, which is lost without the Savior. And, with the Word of God, as found in the Bible, as my guide, I refuse to do anything other than swing wide the doors of the church to all of God's human creatures! (And their little dogs, too!)

What's "perverted" any kind of Christianity that puts limits on God, or slams the door to salvation to anyone, or demand that all we believers believe exactly alike. There are lots of different kinds of sheep in the Savior's folds -- plural on purpose.

November 10, 2006 4:54 PM  
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November 10, 2006 5:44 PM  
Blogger Erudite Redneck said...

BTW, EL, unless you follow all of the O.T. holiness code, including the dietary restrictions, and unless you are selling all you own and are giving it to the poor, you probably should keep this kind of thing to yourself because you, too, "pick and choose":

"those of you who DO in fact pick and chose from scripture what to believe and what to discount"

The thing is, fundies pick and choose all the mean things, and libs pick and choose all the nice, touchy-feely things. :-)

November 10, 2006 5:46 PM  
Blogger TStockmann said...

So ER - if YOU pick and choose and EA picks and chooses - what are EITHER of you doing with srcipture but sewing on a filagre of dishonesty to the fabric of your basic and decidely nondivine prejudices?

And EA - how exactly are atheists and nonChristians supposed to function in this pious nation of yours? Are we exempt from military service so as not to confuse God as to which side he should be on when we're fighting those other monotheists, like Arab Israelis? I assume we're welcome to vote and even run for office in accordance with the Constitution's prohibitions on religious tests for office, because in a Godly nation we'd never be elected. But so as to not make a bad problem worse, maybe we will prohibit any more Muslims from immigrating, with a sufficiently pliant interpretation of the First Amendment. Can I assume Satanists can still hail Satan and blaspheming comics can still publically blaspheme? Or will all that be surpressed - in self-defense, of course, so we don't lose the favor of His Touchiness?

November 10, 2006 6:37 PM  
Blogger KEvron said...

god is a registered democrat. he has spoken in this election.

don't defy god's will, el, or you'll burn for eternity....

KEVron

November 10, 2006 7:22 PM  
Blogger mom2 said...

kevronius said,
god is a registered democrat. he has spoken in this election.

don't defy god's will, el, or you'll burn for eternity....

I don't believe you should presume that the outcome of the election is God speaking. He gave us freewill, we are not robots. We make many decisions....some are right....some are wrong. He gave us His Word for the guideline and because He is a merciful God, He does not strike us with a bolt of lightning at the minute we make mistakes; but He is also a God of righteousness and justice and He will not allow us to go against His Word forever. We know from our daily lives that our decisions have consequences and we will see them at some point in time. He also is in control and He knows the time table for bringing His kingdom to come on this earth. He will sort the wheat from the tares, the sheep from the goats.

November 10, 2006 8:38 PM  
Blogger Erudite Redneck said...

TStock, re: "what are EITHER of you doing with srcipture but sewing on a filagre of dishonesty to the fabric of your basic and decidely nondivine prejudices?"

My answer: Struggling to make sense of what we see, as Scripture says, only through a glass darkly.

I'd be careful. Nothing will send recovering Baptists-turned-libs like me back to the fold faster than being put in a position where I'm obliged to stand with Christians, of whatever stripe, whether they stand with me or not, or watch the Church be attacked.

Let the record show: I am a Christian, and I stand with All my brethren against any attack by any asnti-Christian, no matter what Christendom's internal differences.

November 10, 2006 9:20 PM  
Blogger D.Daddio Al-Ozarka said...

The point is, if you're not looking for it, you may not see it. But you can hardly blame the Muslims because you're not looking for it, can you?

Yep...the people who need to hear them are searching the internet to find direction because they are confused and don't know what position to take.

How freaking foolish to say that these people truly are agianst terrorism yet they are not beating down the doors of the media to get their views out!

Fallacy, distortions...is that all you have to offer the world, Dan?

November 10, 2006 10:24 PM  
Blogger KEvron said...

"I don't believe you should presume"

god is true blue, through and through, mom2. and he's not one o' them blue dogs, neither. he's a deaniac.

"He will not allow us to go against His Word forever"

hence 11/7. i know a sign when i see one.

"none are so blind...."

KEvron

November 10, 2006 11:55 PM  
Blogger ELAshley said...

1. Dan-- "A repentance of our sinful, proud, commercialistic, militaristic ways..."

Adding to scripture again? Since when did commercialism become something for which to repent? Was there not commerce in Jesus' day? Did He not Himself take part in commerce? The purchase of food, and lodging for the last supper? How also is Militarism evil? A sin worthy of repentance? The Centurion in Acts 10 wasn't condemned for his participation; quite the contrary... He was rewarded with the Holy Ghost [though not for being a military man, but rather, for being a just and God fearing man]. So how is it a military man can find favor with God and recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. Is it not possible for a man or woman in uniform to be a Christian in good standing with God? The obvious answer is 'Yes'.

2. ER-- So you've said 'Abortion, bad'... So what? for in the every other statement of late you tout the moral superiority of Democrats... who defend abortion as a constitutional right.

As for for putting limits on God... He has put limits on Himself. Do you not understand that despite God being Love, he is also a God who hates? The difference between God's hatred and man's hatred, is His is righteous... ours is not. His is just and true, ours is murder.

"These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." --Proverbs 6:16-19

Furthermore, I have never suggested or advocated shutting the doors of the Church to homosexuals or sinners of any stripe. What better place for them. But even though the song says, "Just as I am, Thou wilt receive, Wilt welcome, pardon, cleanse, relieve; Because Thy promise I believe, O Lamb of God, I come, I come" God takes what is wicked and makes it righteous. A person who accepts Christ as savior and comes out of the homosexual lifestyle is one who demostrates their salvation is genuine. Those who cling to the sin of homosexuality and make excuses for not casting off the old man is quite likely to have never been saved in the first place. 'Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them...' And no, that's not a slur, it's the Sermon on the Mount, which immediately goes on to say, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." --Matthew 7:20-23

What better place for sinners to be but in Church? But sitting on a pew, bowing ones head, and calling oneself a Christian does not make it so. GOD has placed limits on Himself... What He will allow. Not me.

3. ER conveniently forgets that Christians are not under the Law; there is no longer any need to follow the Law to be righteous in God's eyes. For by the Law we're ALL guilty. Nevertheless I try very hard to abstain from certain foods like pork and shellfish; not because I think by doing so will make me a better person in God's eyes, but because oysters, mussels, clams, shrimp, and lobster can kill you outright... Catfish, eel, octopus, squid perhaps not as quickly... as for Pork, it's plain unhealthy and full of toxins. There's no picking and choosing here. Under Levitical laws homosexuals were to be stoned. But remember this was a theocratic society, God ruled. Ours is a democracy with no place for God in the public square. We don't stone Homosexuals... it's against our laws, and since God has ordained governments to rule over us, I am obliged to accept the fact that I can't kill gays, or lynch blacks, or stone rebellious children. For all ER claim an enlightened perspective of all things God, his understanding is pretty sophomoric.

4. TStockman-- What pious nation? The one that won't exist until Jesus returns? There won't BE any Atheists then.

As to what Athiests are good for in today's world, why don't you ask Dan? By his own reasoning, Christians aren't allowed to serve in the military, that means only unbelievers and atheists are allowed to die for my country... to die for me and my vaunted freedom. All this according to Dan's warped theology. But since we do live in America even satanists have the right to run for public office, they even have the right to die for this country on foreign soil... just not Christians. We're too good for that. Better to throw the unbelievers and the Atheists out in front... You know, "Cannon-fodder".

5. Thanks for that ray of sunshine Mom. How refreshing after the foul reek that's filled this comment thread. And pay no attention of Kev, he's eaten one too many bowls of Fruit Loops... He eats, drinks, and breathes blasphemy. He's not afraid of God.

6. And how odd that ER will stand up to TStockman but not Kevronius... How odd indeed.

7. Daddio-- "Fallacy, distortions..." And might I add 'specious rhetoric'? With the obvious exception of Ms. Green, Mom2, You, and Myself, that's all these people have.

November 11, 2006 12:37 AM  
Blogger KEvron said...

"And how odd that ER will stand up to TStockman but not Kevronius... How odd indeed."

how so? er said he'd defend against attacks on the church. i have made no such attacks. i, like you, have presumed to know god's intent: as you presume to promote the loathsome notion that 9/11 was a message from god (how odd that mom2 admonish me for my presumptions while remaining reticent - and in silence we give consent - about your own presumptions. how odd indeed....), so do i promote the wholly righteous notion (read: obvious fact) that god is a democrat.

remember: when you vote republican, you cancel out god's vote.

KEvron

November 11, 2006 1:07 AM  
Blogger TStockmann said...

ELA:

As to what Athiests are good for in today's world, why don't you ask Dan?

Well, because I'm asking you. Don't you have the courage of your convictions? Or is the implication earlier in your comment that seemed to regret the passing of the time when homosexuals COULD be put death by or under a theocratic state a hint as to how you think those of us who thumb our noses at your religious prohibitions should be treated by the authorities?

Curious that when you're challenged to come out from a fog of antiquated quotes and state your program you refer me to someone else who has offended you. Do you suppose I am a member of some Dan Faction? C'mon, dude, the questions still stand and I'm certainly willing to defend my own positions - not those of someone with whom you want to lump me. You're calling for America to repent and become Christian - let's lay out exactly what that means for everyone else, and I don't mean in the ultimate hereafter. It will ceetainly let me see what American freedom means to you, if anything.

And if that turns outs as I suspect, I'll go back to sniping at ER's piety and see if he's really willing to embrace you as an ally against this Godless Horde o' One.

November 11, 2006 2:29 AM  
Blogger ELAshley said...

I personally find the idea that homosexuals should be killed to be abhorrent. The same for my comments concerning the lynching of blacks and the stoning of rebellious children. If God 'is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance' I am content with it. The wisdom He possesses is infinitely greater than mine.

As to, 'exactly what that means for everyone else?'... in regard to national repentance... It simply means that the nation as a whole does an "about-face" and returns to a previous state of national acceptance of God as the sovereign authority and basis for our national ideology... Stop the killing of unborn children, stop condoning/applauding licentiousness in our leaders and those we look up to, and return to the position that homosexuality is a perversion, and not to be taught as normal, among others things. Namely, that America would once again desire God's will over its own. Infer what you wish for those who choose not be part of that national repentance. For myself, I believe such people should not be marginalized, but neither should they be killed because they choose to love their own sin rather God. The bible and prayer should be welcomed back into the classroom.

I do not see any of this happening. Nor do I expect to see it. Sadly, I believe America is too far gone to make such an about-face.

November 11, 2006 5:59 AM  
Blogger ELAshley said...

Kev-- God does not get a vote in this 'great' nation of ours, and is neither democrat nor republican. He is the unelected eternal chairman of His own Party. The party of Righteousness, Holiness, Purity, Truth, and Justice... Qualities that are found nowhere in American politics.

It's your mocking tone that I find offensive. But you're entitled to it, aren't you?

November 11, 2006 6:07 AM  
Blogger TStockmann said...

I assume you meant nonbelievers should be marginalized. And, yes, with every goes-down-easy rerun of Will and Grace, we as a nation are that much further from your vision. I have more sympathy with you than you might imagine. Like libertarians, right wing protestant Christians may feel betrayed by America, but there isn't any other place to go where you'd feel any more ideologically at home, is there?

November 11, 2006 8:03 AM  
Blogger ELAshley said...

Actually, I meant not marginalized. And you're right, there isn't any other place to go. The only option is to turn this nation around, which isn't likely to happen.

November 11, 2006 8:11 AM  
Blogger TStockmann said...

Ah, my mistake, but then I would recommend for logic's sake "and neither do I believe..." vice "but," since you're being tolerant in both portions of the clause.

And, yes, if the nation looks unlikely to alter in the ways you'd wish from your geographic vantage point, you would see it as impossible from the great coastal Sodoms.

November 11, 2006 8:28 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

I once read the Bible all the way through from genesis to revelation, just like one would read a novel.

One thing lept out at me (among many other things) and that is how many times God's people would turn away from God, only to be chastized (that means "punished", Kevron)again and again. Everytime they would come back to God, and be blessed (that means "rewarded", Kevron)

God chastizes His people when they rebel, and blesses them when they return to Him.

America is being chastized by God at this particular moment in our history. The Dems winning the mid term election is obvious proof of that truth.

If God's people will en masse return to God, God will return our many blessings, and that includes Muslims, Jews, and Christians of all nations.

Anyone can be redeemed, even Kevron. But he is too rebellious and stubborn to know it.

November 11, 2006 10:26 AM  
Blogger Erudite Redneck said...

Amazing. Some of us see the results of the election as a blessing. Others see it is as punishment/correction. LOL. We *are* a scizophrenic lot, aren't we.

No man can judge whether any other man has repentented, i.e., no one can judge the faith of a homosexual believer based on observation. It can't be done. That's why we are told not to judge -- because it's futile. We are incapable of judging others.

And, I find this simply bizarre: "He has put limits on Himself."

TS, hey, I think EL is so far off base on some things it makes me want to laugh and cry at the same time; but he's no Benny Hinn; he's no pretender; therefore, despite all, based on his own professions of faith, which is all anyone can base any sense of Christian fellowship on, I consider him a brother.

November 11, 2006 11:28 AM  
Blogger KEvron said...

"It's your mocking tone that I find offensive."

and we all know where offense lies, right?

KEvron

November 11, 2006 12:23 PM  
Blogger KEvron said...

"I once read the Bible all the way through from genesis to revelation"

you get a gold star, sweetie.

"just like one would read a novel."

(must....quell....urge....)

"One thing lept out at me (among many other things) and that is how many times God's people would turn away from God, only to be chastized (that means "punished", Kevron)again and again. Everytime they would come back to God, and be blessed (that means "rewarded", Kevron)"

and as el has claimed 9/11 to be (insufficient) punishment from god, so have i claimed 11/7 to be a blessing from god. none are so blind....

"America is being chastized by God at this particular moment in our history. The Dems winning the mid term election is obvious proof of that truth."

does that mean 9/11 was a reward from god? (why do i get the feeling that a resounding "yes!" from the fright-wingers here is imminent?)

no, god votes democrat. those who worship satan vote republican.

"If God's people will en masse return to God, God will return our many blessings, and that includes Muslims, Jews, and Christians of all nations."

only americans and god may vote in our elections, mark. and they elected dems.

"Anyone can be redeemed, even Kevron. But he is too rebellious and stubborn to know it."

allahu akbar, mark. now tickle my junk, phoney.

KEvron

November 11, 2006 12:33 PM  
Blogger KEvron said...

"America is being chastized by God at this particular moment in our history. The Dems winning the mid term election is obvious proof of that truth."

let's see how mom2 reacts to this statement.

KEvron

November 11, 2006 12:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The will of the many, and their interest, must very often differ; and great will be the difference when they make an evil choice."
Edmund Burke

"What goes around comes around" is a big part of my personal philosophy. Want to deny reality? Just vote Democratic.

November 11, 2006 5:54 PM  
Blogger KEvron said...

want to deny god's will? just vote republican.

KEvron

November 11, 2006 7:09 PM  
Blogger Ms.Green said...

Dan, I appreciate your links, but you are missing my point. There are an estimated 1.2 -1.3 billion Muslims in the world. There are some who have come out against terrorism, but percentage wise they're very small numbers. Muslims just aren't, as one poster said, beating the doors down of the television studios, nor are they marching in the streets to protest radical Islam. And many of them, though not inclined to participate in violence themselves, actually support what the terrorists are doing and blame the US for it.

November 11, 2006 10:05 PM  
Blogger Erudite Redneck said...

Ah, sins of omission. They will be the downfall of us all, Ms. Green.

November 12, 2006 9:28 AM  
Blogger mom2 said...

"America is being chastized by God at this particular moment in our history. The Dems winning the mid term election is obvious proof of that truth."

let's see how mom2 reacts to this statement.

I am not ready to react at this moment, but I think you would best hold your gloating also. Every sin is not necessarily judged immediately.
It might do you good to think about Ananias and Sapphira though, as God is God.

November 12, 2006 4:18 PM  
Blogger KEvron said...

"I am not ready to react at this moment"

lol! no hypocrisy there! nope, not a lick!

"but I think you would best hold your gloating also."

lol! god wants me to gloat!

"Every sin is not necessarily judged immediately."

sounds like you've got a busy schedule.

"It might do you good to think about Ananias and Sapphira though, as God is God."

you think about, i don't believe in all that gobble-dee-goop.

KEvron

November 14, 2006 7:25 PM  
Blogger mom2 said...

kevronius, I feel for you. Some day your knee shall bow.

November 14, 2006 9:38 PM  
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November 15, 2006 8:13 PM  

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